我們叫他M&M好了

吃飯過沒多久,問完了正常人問的問題之後
我問他 "你覺得sin是什麼"
因為昨天去上bible study就在討論這個問題
而M&M先生本身也是Christian, 所以他的回答和我的Bible先生蠻類似的
都是近乎 "the failure of God's expectation and etc."
sin這字的根本意思似乎是 "failure to hit the mark."
and the topic as we were talking and eating was somehow, but not accidentally, brought into his proof-of-God theory.
He argued that all the reasoning methodology I have learned was principal to the God, the creator of everything because reasoning method I am using is
built upon the consistency rules, harmony, the tradition. When I am making an argument, I am already, unawarely, using the logics that is built upon the Christian world because the founder of the ability and everything that is around us is God.

Making an argument using rational thinking to challenge the existence of God and his credibility is as if one is trying to take the sword from the enemy's hand in hope it to become his own weapon.
(Principal to the God means that everything that happens, including I am being here answering and asking him questions, account for the existence of the God. )
God, according to Mr. M&M, is the founder of all these. One of the strongest argument he has made for me to challenge the existence of Christian's God and his Christian belief.
"If there's no one who is controlling all the harmony of the world, the universe, who is?" said he.
I threw him questions such as "how do you verify that the Christian's God is the God though?"
"how do you know that is someone, not something, in charge of controlling the harmony of everything though?"

I think the most fundamental presumption (such word I considered to be in an even earlier stage than assumption) M&M is making is
the existence of the God. I pointed that out and he answered me with wit and strong reasoning, "you can't make judgement without making any presumption."
"All your 'rational' thinking, your belief, is built upon what you have learned from the past," replied M&M.

Don't bother if you don't know understand what I said due to this specific blog I wrote is not well-written, full of grammatical mistakes, misspelling, wrong word usage, incomplete and discrete arguments, vague explanations, and etc.
but I just want to say that it's lucky to be a Christian...
or lucky for one who believes reverently in religions.
不過Christian的這個preassumption真他媽的囂張
"In order to ask me questions, you have to believe in Christianity first," said he.
當然不是照字面上的意思翻
聊這玩意的時候讓我想到佛教的禪和直指本心的那些 metaphysics,

我現在已經不知道自己再說什麼了
禪在M&M想法裡也是屬於他的神的範疇
畢竟根據我對禪粗淺的認識實在說不出太多東西
而當他問我說 "你是怎麼知道禪在說什麼",我就知道又掉進他那個大陷阱裡了

好厲害...
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  • Jimmy
  • J-man<br />
    我建議你去看兩本書<br />
    Jerusalem 和 the history of god
  • monkey6277
  • 我剛開始看還以為你們在討論三角函數...<br />
    看來我一點神的素養都沒有@@
  • Jasper
  • To: Jimmy<br />
    I will, thanks for the suggestion. <br />
    To monkey6277<br />
    that's funny!
  • 禪
  • 禪與定<br />
    禪定有兩種<br />
    一種是世俗的四禪八定,因為不管學佛與否都可以做得到, 所說<br />
    是世俗的或是說通外道,也就是和一般人共通的法.<br />
    如每日靜坐而求一念不生、不起煩惱,則是唯修四禪八定而不<br />
    修二乘菩提者,縱使臨命終時具足四禪八定,境界超過基督教<br />
    之上帝極多,亦仍不脫生死輪迴,不能證得解脫果。<br />
    另外一種是禪宗的禪與定<br />
    禪叫做靜慮, 安靜的去思慮. 思慮什麼呢? 思慮如何是解脫? <br />
    如何是實相? 這才是禪.<br />
    定是心得決定, 經由禪的熏習及修行, 心得決定: 解脫一定是<br />
    把自我滅盡, 完全無我, 究竟無我. 假使心得決定了, 那就是<br />
    有觀行也有實證而能夠心得決定, 就是有禪也有定.這是二乘法<br />
    的禪與定,這是不共世間人的四禪八定, 也就是世間人不知道 <br />
    也無法做到的, 和四禪八定不一樣的. 四禪八定和解脫與否無<br />
    關. 解脫就是解脫輪迴生死, 不再輪迴生死了.可以一世完成 <br />
    但是不必一定一世完成可以一世一世的修.<br />
    如果進一步薰習與修行, 探究生命實相, 有一天破參, 開悟<br />
    了. 知道如何是生命實相, 心無懷疑, 心得決定, 那也是有禪<br />
    也有定. 所以禪只是個靜慮而已, 靜慮的結果知道了實相, 心<br />
    得決定.<br />
    這就是簡單的來說禪與定.<br />
    <br />
    真要說上帝, 每一個人,動物,細菌,病毒,鬼,神,包括上帝自己<br />
    (如果真有上帝存在)都有自己的上帝,才能藉著外緣創造每一世<br />
    的自己.上帝也有他自己的上帝,只是他不知道而已.<br />
    禪宗的參禪,就是要找到,並確認在自己身上運作的,自己的獨一<br />
    無二的上帝所在的整個過程.<br />
    動物和植物的區別就在動物有自己獨自的上帝,而植物沒有.有<br />
    獨自的上帝才會有所謂的七情六慾.<br />
    <br />
    <br />
  • 禪
  • 《長阿含經》卷11:「佛告梵志。或有沙門.婆羅門言。一切<br />
    世間。梵自在天所造。我問彼言。一切世間實梵自在天所造<br />
    耶。彼不能報。還問我言。瞿曇。此事云何。我報彼言。或有<br />
    此世間初壞敗時。有餘眾生命盡行盡。從光音天命終乃更生餘<br />
    空梵處。於彼起愛。生樂著心。復欲使餘眾生來生此處。其餘<br />
    眾生命盡行盡。復生彼處。時。彼眾生自作是念。我今是大梵<br />
    王。忽然而有。無作我者。我能盡達諸義所趣。於千世界最得<br />
    自在。能作能化。微妙第一。為人父母。我先至此。獨一無<br />
    侶。由我力故。有此眾生。我作此眾生。彼餘眾生亦復順從。<br />
    稱為梵王。忽然而有。盡達諸義。於千世界最得自在。能作能<br />
    化。微妙第一。為人父母。先有是一。後有我等。此大梵王化<br />
    作我等。此諸眾生隨彼壽終來生此間。其漸長大。剃除鬚髮。<br />
    服三法衣。出家為道。彼入定意三昧隨三昧心憶本所生。彼作<br />
    是語。此大梵天忽然而有。無有作者。盡達諸義。於千世界最<br />
    得自在。能作能化。微妙第一。為人父母。彼大梵天常住不<br />
    移。無變易法。我等梵天所化。是以無常。不得久住。為變易<br />
    法。如是。梵志。彼沙門.婆羅門以此緣故。各言彼梵自在天<br />
    造此世界。梵志。造此世界者。非彼所及。唯佛能知。又過此<br />
    事。佛亦盡知。雖知不著苦.集.滅.味.過.出要。如實知<br />
    之。以平等觀無餘解脫。名曰如來。」(CBETA, T01, no. <br />
    1, p. 69, a27-b24)<br />
    梵自在天自以為能造一切,常住不移.他所造,所化的,無常,不<br />
    得久住.如果他們所說的上帝真實存在的話,就是梵自在天.
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